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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 12 2015, 04:46 AM (1,428 Views) | |
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 12 2015, 04:46 AM Post #1 |
 
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I remember this argument going around for a while or something like it but I forgot what people's counter arguments to it So the general consensus is ssj3 gogeta>buutenks because buu has knowledge of ssj forms and bla bla bla. Anyway, but what about whether or not gogeta can go ssj or not? Since he has gotenks and piccolos knowledge of fusion, he should know that gogeta wouldn't be able to go ssj since hes never been created yet and that gotenks needed to practice first unless goten and trunks fused as ssj So... What? Did buutenks assume goku and vegeta would fuse as super saiyans or super saiyan 2s? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Aug 12 2015, 04:48 AM.
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Exactly that, your edited-in paragraph. Gotenks could have done the same, but he didn't for training purposes. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 12 2015, 04:53 AM Post #3 |
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So then this buuhan>ssj3 gogeta can't be true? |
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| Saberoph | Aug 12 2015, 05:22 AM Post #4 |
 
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Since this is a power question... Isn't it the Diaz that states, if one person has to lower their power for Fusion, it effects the end result? |
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| + Sandy Shore | Aug 12 2015, 05:55 AM Post #5 |
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I don't think it's a thing that fusions have to learn Super Saiyan forms that their individuals already have access to. Maybe if only one of them has the transformation, but certainly not if they both already have it. Gotenks was too cocky and found himself suitibly beaten up without ever going Super Saiyan. Piccolo assumes the kids need to start as Super Saiyan and they go along with Piccolo's plan to form Super Saiyan Gotenks. We then find out that they can become a Super Saiyan even if they don't start off as one, but it's not explained to be due to training. Only, it turns out that they could. You could view it as a result of training if you like, though. Vegetto didn't need training to become a Super Saiyan, though the kind of fusion may undeniably be a factor. Gogeta didn't need training to become a Super Saiyan, and, though he is non-canon, we may as well use him as he has already been presented if we're talking about a hypothetically canon Gogeta. |
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| + Solid Snake | Aug 12 2015, 06:03 AM Post #6 |
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I believe Goku was going for Super Saiyan as the starting point of his fusions with both Gohan and Vegeta. But some people don't see it that way because Buutenks apparently has knowledge of the forms and I guess "assumed the strongest" even though he should also know it'll be quite difficult to do because of Super Saiyan 3's ki consumption. At most what I believe is warrant enough is that Buutenks assumes Super Saiyan 2, whilst Goku was likely to start as a Super Saiyan (since he considers it for the Potara). Edited by Solid Snake, Aug 12 2015, 06:04 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Aug 12 2015, 06:21 AM Post #7 |
 
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Goku didn't have a problem with transforming after fusing. |
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| Notaka | Aug 12 2015, 01:45 PM Post #8 |
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Gogeta can go super saiyan in his first moment of existence. Gotenks was too full of him(them?)self and thought he could beat buu without Super Saiyan. Also I have gogeta SSJ2 Annihilating any forms of buu. |
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| + Six Trails | Aug 12 2015, 02:18 PM Post #9 |
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Well, it'd only be logical that Gogeta can transform into a Super Saiyan 3, and as Pyrus mentioned, Goku had no qualms with transforming after fusing, but I don't like Gogeta being so weak, since he's made up of Goku and Vegeta. So I will pretend he can't go Super Saiyan 3 to keep a hypothetical SS3 Gogeta above Gohan-Boo (who's also cocky). |
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| + Solid Snake | Aug 12 2015, 03:27 PM Post #10 |
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Whether he can power up or not after fusing (Dance) don't really bother me. I'm just saying Gogeta's a lot more tougher then people think. My reasons are already listed. I can find a true way to keep the chain intact too. Super Saiyan Vegito >>> Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta >~ Buuhan > Super Saiyan 2 Gogeta > Super Saiyan Gogeta >>~ Buutenks I think this is more of how I see it. Underline 1: Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta can be briefly stronger then Buuhan but due to the strain, shorten time limit, and Buu's resilience he won't be able to beat him, keeping honest to Buuhan's claim. Gap's akin to SSJGSS Goku and Golden Frieza. Underline 2: Basically what I mentioned earlier, Goku suggests fusing prior fusing via Potara, so I believe he was to do the same for the Dance if they couldn't transform. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 12 2015, 03:28 PM Post #11 |
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How big is your SSJ2 multiplier? The gap between Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't that big at all. |
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| Notaka | Aug 12 2015, 03:36 PM Post #12 |
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The gap is big,considering it took time to gotenks to have the advantage against buu while gohan was stomping him from the go. Also I have SSJ2 multiplier around 4x times. The 2x times one doesn't make sense. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 12 2015, 03:47 PM Post #13 |
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It can't be huge, as Gohan was completely outclassed by Bootenks. I have something like; Boohan: 23 Bootenks: 19 Gohan: 14 SSJ3 Gotenks: 10 Evil Boo: 9 Even if you use a 2x multiplier, you can't fit both SSJ Gogeta and SSJ2 Gogeta between Bootenks and Boohan |
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| Notaka | Aug 12 2015, 04:02 PM Post #14 |
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Here are my numbers: Super Buu:10 Gotenks:12 should be fine for him. Gohan:would be around 15-18. Buutenks is:22. buutenks is 1.2x to 1.4x stronger than gohan,which should be enough to grant buu a stomp. Buucolo:isn't that much stronger than than super buu so he stays at 10. Buuhan:25-28 I have SSJ Gogeta in between SSJ3 Gotenks and Gohan. SSJ Gogeta:14-16(2 numbers lower than gohan). So SSJ2 Gogeta(in his weakest) is at the least equal to Buuhan (in His strongest),That is if you use the 2x multiplier. Since I use my own which is 4x,SSJ2 Gogeta should be 56 to 64. Which stomps Buuhan and makes him either equal,a bit stronger or a bit weaker than SSJ Vegito(I have him at 60,the manga version.the anime one is much much stronger,he equals buuhan in base.) |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Aug 12 2015, 05:32 PM Post #15 |
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I could've swore I remember there being a statement saying that fusions can't transform without practice. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? |
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